Chris Watts opened up about the many cracks in his marriage shortly after being sentenced to life in prison without parole for murdering his family. But after years of this I dont think its easy to change who you are or how you treat people. Chris and Shanann had their first date August 10, 2010. They are doing their best to survive the situation, she said. We can only speculate, theorize and opinionate on triggers and reasons why as there hasnt been concrete proof of what his motives were. He seemed very distracted and disengaged. He refused to hug me after he said he will try to work it out! I think she realized especially during her stay in NC that there was something very wrong and the change was likely permanent. Tammy Lee, an investigator in the case, conducted the . The Watts family eventually settled in Frederick, Colorado in a five-bedroom home they bought in 2013. Obviously Thrive was all BS and she was facing a pregnancy all by herself, flat broke and facing humiliation from her team/peers and raising kids by herself. Well, she shouldnt have . To strangle your adorable toddler?? She loved dogs and had a dachshund named Dieter. After Shananns death and Chris arrest, Dieter was kept at a friends house and later went to live with her brother, Frankie. IDK just my two-centsit is hard to see in most families b/c not many of us post so openly about our daily lives. I never thought of Shanann possibly using these happy family videos with Chris before her death as a ploy to hang on to him or keep him from leaving. Now, her husband, Chris Watts, is accused of killing her and their two young girls in Frederick, Colorado. He then loaded his daughters into his truck along with their mother's body. The bankruptcy case was closed in October 2015. . Obviously he didnt think it through well enough but I also agree with other posters, he may be someone who is easily pushed over and goes with the flow but having all those strong personality types around him doesnt overshadow the fact that he was harboring a deeper hatred/set of feelings/energy inside, layered deep within himself. Learn the difference. On August 16, the authorities discovered Shananns body buried in a shallow grave nearby, and the childrens bodies were found hidden in the oil tanks. thats all she cared about period. Quiet people may appear calm but Chris was not quiet inside. She realized she was belittling him, and too controlling, and expressed concern to Nickole about how shje was behaving and treating people. Over the summer of 2018, Chris Watts changed. Both native to North Carolina, they married in Mecklenberg County, North Carolina in 2012. I hate to sound victim blaming and this is in no way an excuse for her husband to murder her and the children for gods sake!! He was an average student, pretty smart. In April 2013, Shanann and Chris moved with her family to Frederic, Colorado, and bought a five-bedroom, four-bathroom house at 2825 Saratoga Trail on a loan of $392,709. Its not a nice feeling. Shanann Watts' FIRST husband: Interview excerpts Thought-provoking videos 6.44K subscribers Subscribe 401 Share 22K views 2 years ago Everyone deserves to know the Truth: That "God is Love". People are not born Coverts Narcissist, they become and it stems from bad parenting. She noted that most murders of American women are committed by intimate partners, not strangers. Thats so sad. There is content out there that confirms not only did Shanann know a split was on the cards, but her own family did too. To think that you have been replaced is scary, when you know there isnt a way to fix things anymore. Shanann Watts was visiting her parents with her two daughters in the area for a summer vacation in the weeks leading up to her murder. You have some real writing talent. It has helped me to put my thoughts in perspective because nothing else has. Didnt she say somewhere that Chris is the one who thought a third child, hoping for a boy, would help their marriage and then she mentions to people that he now thinks Bella and Celeste are enough? I know an ex wife who was getting very greedy and sued for more and lost because her ex could show he had no income by getting his employer to pay him in cash and lived on credit cards for a while. Like a mercy killing. Its absolutely ludicrous and I cant wrap my mind around it. The word divorce comes up 35 times in the Discovery Documents and just once in the CBI Report. He has Have you ever broken up with someone and not felt bad about it? There are family annihilation cases each year ~ but I heard that this one took the prize in victim blaming. You are the reason I was brave enough to agree to number 3!, On June 19, she posted a screenshot of their texts after she sent him a photo of her ultrasound; he replied that he loved the little peanut already. Daughter of Frank Rzucek and Sandra Rzucek. He had policies on his kids and wife. Taylor, "I am here for you and whatever you need. The 34-year-old mother regularly posted updates on social media about . It may or may not tell the tale of whats really going on, she said. On the morning of Aug. 7, just six days before was she . He doesnt say but of course, we are only getting Leonards side of the story and we cant hear Shananns. We dont know whether there had been violence during their marriage, but it would not be surprising that Shanann tried to project a positive image to her friends and colleagues, both on and off of social media.. The ex states Shanann states she left because domestic violence. I dont know who he is, she texted a friend on Aug. 7, 2018. I think it had more to do with her controlling ways and if she knew in her heart that was why he was becoming distant or non-communicative, she really didnt know how to change that about herself, and instead amped it up until co-existing with her became unbearable to him. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. I also find that interesting which seems to me she couldnt handle conflict either. But nonetheless I still feel Chris killed the children. It was reported that she made $80,000 a year. Chilling photos show stained clothes Shanann Watts was wearing when she was murdered and buried in shallow grave by husband The clothing did not match what Shanann Watts was wearing in. It doesnt matter what her past mistakes may or may not have been. It seemed like Shannon dictated everything with the kids and he just followed orders. Chris said when he met Nicole, he was not used to being treated with respect and having someone interested in what he thought. That does not make me controlling or him emasculated. I have thought she cheated all along as well. Shanann was married to a man named Leonard Kim and they got divorced in 2009. She ruled EVERY aspect of their lives and he complied with it all. Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage but she never suspected her life was in danger. Even though the. Meanwhile Kessinger thought the marriage was over. Shanann posted videos of family drama embarrassing Chris and his family, posted at least one video saying she is the dominant one in their family, insulted Chris repeatedly saying things like he has no balls and no game, insulting him to his family and to her friends. Shanann and Chris jointly filed for a chapter 7 bankruptcy in Colorado Federal Court in June 2015. Amy Miller, executive director of Violence Free Colorado, said people who are being abused by an intimate partner often behave in ways that seem counterintuitive to those around them. How old was he? My former brother in law once told me that he let his wife make most of their decisions. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. He probably grew up doing whatever she told him to do. Photo: Facebook, Netflix He also said so, and others said so too. There was also a good heart there I can see I think because of this drive and a relentless thrusting of her family onto social media, she lost him an essentially reserved guy somewhere along the way. From the . Offline, however, the text messages between Shanann and Chris and Shanann and her friends painted a starkly different picture. Watts, 35, reportedly detailed the gruesome slaying of Shanann Watts in one of his prison letters - and he also revealed that he'd been thinking about killing her for "weeks." 15 Disturbing prison letters from Chris Watts to a crime author detailed Shannan Watts' horrific death Credit: Refer to Caption 15 You are a complete moron if you think she killed her kids. Weve never had a problem in our relationship like this. Chris had his $5 million bails revoked after this and was remanded to custody immediately. Thanks Holly, for spending some time thinking and sharing your thoughts on these questions. As early as August 8th, Shanann confided in Cassie Rosenberg and Nickole Atkinson that her husband wanted a divorce [she didnt], but not right away. The YT video I watched as referenced above has a few parts to it that are quite informative and have helped me to fully understand both sides of this marriageand actually if you ask me, there were more than twothere were 4 CW, SW, NK and his parents (mom) were all involved in the marriage I think there were multiple influences and opinions that were making things toxic on both ends. LEONARD's current wife, dabbled in Thrive, which was the same employment as SHANANN WATTS. This case does offer a caution to other couples to communicate openly from both sides, whether from the side being overly controlling or the side that is crushed-in, and being controlled. There was never an investigation in the case, therefore its impossible to know who killed Shanann or the little girls. He has changed. Hes a fucking psychopath. Before drilling further into this question, we need to be clear about the difference between divorce and separation. In 2013, the couple bought a large, five-bedroom home in Frederick, Colorado prior to the birth of their first daughter, Bella. I couldnt imagine a better man for us. DENVER (AP/CBS4) Chris Watts, the sole suspect arrested in the murder of his pregnant wife and two young daughters, before dumping their bodies at an . I love you so much and so grateful you hung around when I tried pushing you away in the beginning!, On Fathers Day, Shanann penned a loving tribute to her husband on Facebook, and she shared over a dozen photos of him cuddling and playing with their two kids. They were also due in court just weeks after the murders because their homeowner's association sued. Only he took them out first, because he knew he was going to end her life as soon as she got home. A Netflix documentary titled American Murder: The Family Next Door directed by Jenny Popplewell was released in September 2020. 80,000 was between both of their salaries. But I work my ass off in a cold office every day to pay for it. they were flirting long before they ever hooked up and each knew the other was interested in them. , but law enforcement has not publicly confirmed it. Perpetrators may control their victims using sexual, emotional, verbal, psychological, financial or digital abuse. I read a study on LIVID COERCIVE killers who are motivated by anger and rageshowing control issues (recent) and may have abusive tendencies and have issues achieving their self-worth and authority within the home. I think she emasculated Chris. What if he really doesnt love me anymore? He was interviewed by many news channels where he pleaded for the return of his family. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. Watts said he strangled Shanann in their bed after he said she told her their marriage was over and she said he would never see their children again. In November 2017, Shanann posted a video to her Facebook pageto celebrate their anniversary. According to Watts confessions, he told Shanann on the morning of the murders that he wanted a divorce separation. The baby was a way of Chris Watts wanting sex so instead of just asking for sex he says why dont we try for another child. We can ALL agree (to some degree) that there was something off with CW and there is something we all cant seem to put our finger on when it comes to their relationship and they may have just simply been not good for each other, both with differing personalities, strengths, weaknesses and ways of handling life, setbacks, feelings, etc. It is/was a gut feeling that we all get, a sinking feeling that cant be explained or described but his withdrawal was a big clue that she should have put more stock in. It seemed choreographed. I think the parents were used as a shield, the children too, so that she would not be alone with Watts in a small hotel room trying to work out their issues and his absolutely apparent, angry and distant demeanor toward her. She was making it very difficult to admit to an affair. Didnt Shanann cheat on Leonard with the middle eastern guy at Dirty South he mentions? Chris was working for Anadarko Petroleum Corp at that time and the couple had to pay a debt of $44800. Hes the best dad us girls could ask for.. They were Watts way of communicating to Kessinger what he just couldnt do with Shanann. Online, she projected the image of a happy wife. But Chris was already involved in an affair: He had become intimate with an unwitting co-worker who believed he was getting a divorce from his wife. If she hated him so much, why didnt she leave him? And once she was done she cut him out of her life. Our love just grows strong everyday!". In an interview with Dr.Phil, Chris lawyer told how Chris killed his daughters. I dated a narcissistic sociopath and I get how incredibly cold and unfeeling they can be. ! she texted, adding, He said we are not compatible anymore! It paints Watts less a coward than as someone who was bullied into towing a line, until things got desperate. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in . It really isnt a good feeling at all to know you are expendable and vulnerable. Can you imagine her as a single parent? Hes passive, a yes man, doesnt want confrontation. The doc also discusses Shannan's . The couple was blessed with two daughters: Bella Marie Watts who was born on December 17, 2013, and Celeste Cathryn Cece Watts who was born on July 17, 2015. The American cable channel Lifetime released a film called Chris Watts: Confessions of a Killer on January 26, 2020. All parents would want the best education for their children. She labeled things, yes, but it was her unwillingness to let things go that was truly obsessive. For those who may be experiencing intimate partner violence from an abuser and were not certain that is the case here they are able to fit into a societal norm, the perfect family.. But nonetheless I still feel Chris killed the children. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger. It is the fear of being discovered, of having to change your life or give something up. Oct. 29 2020, Published 3:05 p.m. She said he had an empty head, forget everything. Chris Watts was charged with the murders of Shanann and their daughters Bella and Celeste on Aug. 21, 2018. They met when she was in high school and he was in law school. I like your thoughts too, Holly. He remarried and has kids. Her friend tried to soothe her, to no avail. In his own words: In his own words: August 13th, morning of, I went to the girls' room first, before Shanann and . I am curious why we never hear from any other women in Chris Watts past? You put up with 3 impatient, demanding women in the house, she wrote on, after she sent him a photo of her ultrasound; he replied that he loved the little peanut already. If we assume that she killed the children, why did he not turn her to the police and secretly dumped the bodies of his children that she killed. Shanann was still very good friends with her ex husbands mother too. Yes, I said former brother in law, they divorced. No joke. Shananns job and income depended on selling the idea of Thriving. IMO they were talking divorce/separation for quite some time, possibly a year.>>>Agreed. To me inside he was a volcano just waiting to erupt. In a fit of rage, Chris strangulated Shanann and took the three dead bodies to a remote oil-storage site, Anadarko Petroleum, where he was employed before. One of the jobs typically associated with psychopaths are salespeople. Two days later, a body believed to be Shananns was found on property owned by Christophers employer, Anadarko Petroleum. He is also reportedly back in touch with Kessinger, who changed her name after the murders, per Daily Mail. 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